This centuries Yom Kippur War kicked off late

[Nobby the Bastard]

Note that IF a propellant normally has a shelf life of 20 years storing it for any length of time at 30 degrees halfs it.

Typically armies cannot store their usual stock of ammunition at optimum temp and humidity because they have so much of it. It's easier and cheaper to give it a shelf life and buy new.

There is also the issue that if they aren't buying new regularly private industry woon't actually keep the production lines ready to operate so if things go hot there will be a delay in sourcing replacement ammo.

A large part of my area is ensuring that industry keeps the necessary knowledge and experience on how to make supersonic jets. That costs money...
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[rpsmith79]

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[Nute]

I’m not reading 2000 pages just to prove my point.

The para you reference states 15 to 40 years at temps of 30 to 90 degrees, so at ambient UK temps its decades, even if not in temp controlled storage available to the military.

Is the blurb you refer to concerning small arms ammo, as the doc appears to cover missile propellants and all sorts of other stuff?

In my use of ammo I’m somewhat more exacting than your average spray and pray (American) squaddie.

[Ribenapigeon]

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[Nobby the Bastard]

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The propellant in a storm shadow is nothing like the smokeless powder in small arms ammo, so no idea what lengths the owners would have to go to with those. Given their cost I’d assume they are pretty careful.

I’d also imagine the British army are careful with their L96 ammo given its purpose. No idea how they’d store the cooking ammo tho, horses for courses maybe.

If it’s made to a good std FMJ with a brass case is pretty good but steel cased / lead ammo is very much more susceptible to vagaries of storage.

I’ve just had a look at the powders I use and there is a batch no but no date on the containers.

[Nobby the Bastard]

As I said, hobby usage is in no way the same as military usage and good practice. I linked to the British Army manual on storage of ammo and you were unwilling to read it because it was too long for you.

TBH 'put it in storage that is temp and humidity controlled' would barely require a powerpoint page.
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I’m seeking accuracy and consistency significantly greater than than would satisfy routine use by the army, other than specialists such as snipers.

If you are willing to pay for it the quality of hardware available far exceeds that provided for used by the average squaddie, same goes for the quality and consistency of ammunition.

The doc you linked appears consistent with my earlier post, to wit store it correctly and it lasts for decades.

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It's still interesting though in that (not unexpectedly) the military are very organised with their bang-bangs Send ammo to Ukraine? Let's pick a batch that's old which we would have tested and probably kept but instead just write it off and send it out. Who knows, it might have failed the tests anyway so procurement roll on with ordering replacements as they normally would.

Anyhoo, back to the war...

It looks like the Israelis are going to be stupid and attempt to clear Gaza block by block, street by street, house by house - exactly what Hamas want. It'd be more humane to glass the place.
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Mohammed Deif.

Has been blamed for the Hamas atrocities on Saturday.

There have been 7 attempts to zero the prick.

No photos exist except a few of him in his 20s.

Word is, he is hiding in the rat warrens under gaza.

Gassing works for rats.

Terriers are much more fun to watch though.
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[Nobby the Bastard]

Yes let's swap to solar rather than oil. Now, where close to Europe gets loads of sun?
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Is France worried about more riots with clashes between Jews and pro Palestinians do you think?

France bans all pro-Palestinian demonstrations

Fcuk me, can you imagine the howls if they did that here

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-67088547
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[Ribenapigeon]

The problem for France, along with the UK is its history in the area is a rather spotty one.

We should really have left the Holy land alone after WW2 and just given the Jews a big chunk of Germany on a take it or leave it basis. Imagine