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Been thinking about this "125s get banned first" thing. And I think the reason is that the ban isn't for us (i.e. punters). We have no control over whether motorbikes (of any description) get made. The ban is for the manufacturers, and it's speaking to them. I think the government is basically saying, "small electric/green motorcycles are the most viable as part of the future transport infrastructure, so get on with making them. Big bikes aren't going to work anyway, and are basically irrelevant in terms of overall transport infrastructure, so they can come later".
Whether that's true, and whether it will work, are separate questions, but that's the only reason I can think of for doing this. ____________________ Current - '94 VFR750FR, '00 VFR800FI Previous - '10 Street Triple R, '92 MZ ETZ301, '05 TTR250, NSR125R, KMX125, "Honda" Win (chinese copy of an old Honda design with a C90 engine)
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Bhud wrote: | The fact there are no plans to decarbonise air travel by curbing the use of private jets tells me all I need to know about this rugpull-in-the-making, and I won't be buying into it, ever. |
This is a major point. Pick on teh little guy (us) with next to no lobbying support while air travel, the second highest C02 contributor apparently, gets away Scot free until 2050 according to the report.. Think of the hoo-hah if Joe an Joanna Bloggs can't have their two weeks in Benidorm or the Stag parties a piss-up in Tallin.
STILL no tax on aviation fuel is a world scandal. ____________________ Now: A100, GT250A, XJ598, FZ750
Then: Fizz, RS200, KL250, XJ550, Laverda Alpina, XJ600, FZS600 |
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I keep half an eye on the electric bike market to see if anything is coming along that looks like it might be worth buying.
I assume that the reason 125s are being targeted is because there are viable replacement electric bikes now, which should get significantly cheaper over the next few years. Similar the badge engineering of Chinese bike with a couple of different model of 125cc petrol engine (which are clones of old Japanese designs), there is a drop-in electric powertrain - motor, controller, batteries - for 125-equivalent power outputs. I think Bosch make the main one, alternatives and clones will exist. I think it's in the region of 10kw output and ~100 miles of range from a bike costing about £5k. So it's not great, with not too far off the overall price and performance of a new petrol 125.
Mass production isn't happening for anything bigger. There's a moderate amount of volume from Zero, and I'm expecting a moderate volume from Harley/Livewire, but nothing approaching the economies of scale needed to make a 50-100hp electric bike a reasonable price.
Also worth noting - in London at least, the vast majority of powered two wheeled traffic is scooters delivering food. They appear to make up about 90% of it. Whilst it is, and will remain, a small sliver of CO2 emissions, they could make up a fair proportion of local air quality emissions by 2030 as more cars become electric, and more boilers are replaced with heat pumps. |
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I turn my back for 5 seconds and come back and find their trying to steal away cheapish small motorbikes. |
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Easy-X wrote: | Mandated imposition of electric vehicles from 2030. Why?
The solutions are shite. |
I saw one of these Maeving things in London yesterday:
https://www.thecoolector.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/ma1.jpg
https://maeving.com/products/maeving-rm1-deposit?variant=42018572828867
Had quite the opportunity to look it over actually. Because it'd conked out on The Minories having run out of juice
I have to say, however, it did look pretty neat, and the fact the battery is removable / able to be charged on a normal plug socket (veeeery slowly) albeit it seems you have to carry the docking station, maybe? Not sure. But hey, hipsters gonna hip:
Quote: | Designed to be beautiful as well as functional, our batteries feature an integrated carry handle with bamboo detailing, and are supplied with a carry strap, charging cable with plug, and easy-to-use dock. |
S'all about dat Bamboo. Helps keep the cost of a battery down to just under a grand
I always get particularly worried buying from a manufacturer that doesn't really understand the marketplace of its product very well.
Quote: | Do I need a license to ride a Maeving RM1?
Yes, you need a CBT License. |
The good ol' CBT Licensse eh
Despite my cynicism and mocking - I did think it looked pretty cool and I wouldn't mind a go on one. If I needed a commute tool, i wouldn't be the worst idea.
However, you'd have to be pretty nuts to pay £4.5k or £5.5k with a second battery, for a 45mph top speed, when the Super Soco TC Max will do a genuine 60mph at £4300 and has better comparative range at 60 miles versus 40 for the Maeving, unless you double up on the battery. It would seem a no brainer to go for the Super Soco and not pay the hipster tax. |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 1 year, 318 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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